Crooks At NRA? Will POTUS Pardon?

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 08/06/2020 at 12:09 • Filed to: None

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The first story, from WaPo, goes into much more detail. Very damning, if you ask me. I joined the NRA myself some years back, then canceled my membership after the Sandy Hook response. When I joined, they sent me a patriotic knife with a prominent Made In China sticker on it. When I quit, it took several calls to their Maryland headquarters to get my name actually expunged from their rolls.

Perhaps this is another change whose time has come.

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Tripper > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 12:13

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It would be really neat if they would separate the awesome NRA firearms training safety classes from the actual NRA. Because when I tell people who are looking to get into shooting that they ought to take one of those courses, it turns into a political conversation and than ya boy has to leave.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Tripper 08/06/2020 at 12:15

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I didn’t know the provided/sponsored safety classes. I would hope so too. I know it’s startlingly controversial, but I think firearms safety training should be a prerequisite to ownership. 

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 12:15

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Political advocacy groups with criminal accounting practices?

I can believe this.

Just Jeepin' > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 12:15

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Despite this being a fairly obvious case of fraud and corruption, it’ll be yet another reason to vote against the Democrats this fall.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 12:18

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Buffer image and more vague headline (something like “ [politics] NRA” ) , please. =)

WilliamsSW > For Sweden 08/06/2020 at 12:21

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They’re all just legalized money laundering operations.

Signed, an AOPA member 

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Just Jeepin' 08/06/2020 at 12:23

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THEY’LL TAKE OUR GUNZ!!!!!!!!!

Mid Engine > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 12:24

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Always interesting how gun rights are considered black or white , no inbetween. Some feel no body should own a gun, others feel that you should be able to own military ordinance if you want. I think you should be able to own hunting rifles, and personal protection. An AK47 is not personal protection. Reasonable? Yeah.

ranwhenparked > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 12:26

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I stopped sending them money a long time ago, when these financial shenanigans started to come out. Doesn’t stop them from calling almost every day though.

I worked at a nonprofit right out of college where our executive director was fired (technically, forcibly retired, to save face) for embezzlement. He had a lot of the staff doing really shady shit, me included, to misappropriate grant funding, overstate the amount of youth we were serving, forge demographic information, count future pledges immediately as part of our endowment, and move funds through a stupidly complex web of accounts at a dozen different institutions with no records and himself as the sole signatory. I helped draft the anonymous letter to the board that led to the investigation that got him fired, and have had a heightened awareness of BS going on in the nonprofit world ever since and a zero tolerance policy for organizations that screw up.

My bird IS the word > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 12:27

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Scamming millions of firearms owners sounds like an unhealthy move to me.

My bird IS the word > Mid Engine 08/06/2020 at 12:28

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But who decides where that line is?

Sovande > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 12:31

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Wayne Lapierre is a bad guy???? I can't believe it. 

For Sweden > WilliamsSW 08/06/2020 at 12:33

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It's basic sanitation!

For Sweden > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 08/06/2020 at 12:34

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I mean, yeah. The Engineering Explained guy wouldn't lie to us.

Tapas > WilliamsSW 08/06/2020 at 12:37

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And don’t forget about the E lection fraud. They raised money from foreign countries and funded GOP political campaigns .

Sovande > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 12:38

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Unpopular opinion alert.

Fuck guns. And fuck the notion that you “need” one. Nobody is out to get you. Guns are fucking dumb. A tax free association created to promote guns is even fucking dumber. What the fuck is everyone so afraid of? Other people who have guns? 

facw > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/06/2020 at 12:39

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It’s very much a relic of the old NRA, before they became so heavily politicized (on issues well beyond guns).

Tripper > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/06/2020 at 12:39

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They are super comprehensive and they really make you earn it. Those courses actually are  a PR to join the private shooting club that I joined a few years ago (to avoid getting shot at a public range). I thought I was SUPER safe with a firearm, but I still learned a lot. The flunked my father the first time because his finger fell inside the trigger guard when it shouldn’t have been there. So I took it a second time with him.

Sovande > ranwhenparked 08/06/2020 at 12:40

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Each and every non profit is a scam. It's all a tax dodge. 

For Sweden > Tapas 08/06/2020 at 12:40

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Dang, AOPA  goes hard

facw > Mid Engine 08/06/2020 at 12:41

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I think there are plenty of people who are willing to be gray on gun rights. Hell the NRA used to support reasonable restrictions. 

and 100 more > My bird IS the word 08/06/2020 at 12:42

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We do. Voters. Let’s have a referendum . We all seem to have opinions on what should/shouldn’t count as an “illegal” firearm... Why don’t WE decide?

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/06/2020 at 12:45

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That’s not a sensitive image, so it doesn’t need a buffer. The headline probably should be tagged politics, but there’s no requirement for political headlines to be “ vague”

Tapas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 12:49

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https://www.theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets-to-rise-up-against-tyrannical-government/

I th ink responsible gun owners and NRA gun nuts are very different people. Kinda like Christians and Televangelists.

ttyymmnn > Mid Engine 08/06/2020 at 12:54

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Years ago, there was a case in a northeastern state, can’t remember which, about the legality of an assault weapons ban. One of the state supreme court justices asked rhetorically, “We have freedom of speech in this country, but we can’t yell “fire” in a crowded movie theater. Why can’t we have similar limits on our constitutional right to bear arms?”

WilliamsSW > For Sweden 08/06/2020 at 13:00

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Whatever it takes t o protect my constitutional right to fly in 1 mile visibility and clear of clouds in my Mooney.

My bird IS the word > and 100 more 08/06/2020 at 13:03

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Why don't we just have a referendum on every policy decision then?

Just Jeepin' > Tapas 08/06/2020 at 13:06

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But when you stand that close to Mary Marsh and John Van  Dyke, it’s sometimes hard not to paint you all with the same brush. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 08/06/2020 at 13:10

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Just a request, to be respectful of those who’d rather not see politics on OPPO. I don’t personally have an issue with it, but many do.

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/06/2020 at 13:14

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Politics is a welcome topic on Oppo. And telling people who want to post about political issues that they shouldn’t, or need to censor their posts beyond what the rules require is not respectful to the posters.

Mid Engine > My bird IS the word 08/06/2020 at 13:16

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Get a group of folks together and have them hash it out. NRA types, people that are concerned about about assault weapons, etc. Have a reasoned conversation? Hand the suggestions to the politicians and say here, sign this into law.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 08/06/2020 at 13:21

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I didn’t tell him; I asked.

He and I often have long conversations - I didn’t think he’d mind the suggestion.

The rules say politics “after the jump”. If political posts had a buffer image of a car, and just a simple reference to the topic inside, t hose who aren’t interested in politics here can scroll past without even really thinking about it, and those who want to engage can click through and get the info and contribute to the discussion. It’s not much to ask.

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/06/2020 at 13:29

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The rule is that “sensitive material” should be after the jump. Here the picture is not sensitive, so there’s no reason for a buffer. It’s recommended that you announce political/sensitive content in the title, so maybe that should have been done here, but there’s nothing terribly inflammatory about the title either.

and 100 more > My bird IS the word 08/06/2020 at 13:30

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Okay! Now we’re talking.

ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 08/06/2020 at 13:32

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Money = Mooney

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 08/06/2020 at 13:36

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Okay, letter of the law (rules), maybe, but how about just being excellent to the folks here that don’t want politics in their OPPO?

A s imple request that would make OPPO more enjoyable to a good number here.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 08/06/2020 at 13:39

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Lots of conversation on all sides of the topic here, if you missed it:

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/some-thoughts-shared-by-a-long-time-opponaut-1844480752

Mid Engine > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 13:42

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I live in the middle of nowhere, and yes there are bears, bobcats, all sorts of wildlife. Tweakers seem to like breaking into houses around me since they’re unlikely to be seen. Owning a shotgun is not unreasonable.

jminer > ttyymmnn 08/06/2020 at 13:42

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That’s the general rule that courts still follow. A legislative body (local, state, federal) can put in place rules restricting certain guns and so on as long as it doesn’t go too far.

If I recall the only recent example (last 10 years) of a law being struck down at the national level was a city banning pistol ownership.  That was deemed a bridge too far but restrictions on certain types of automatic rifles or large capacity magazine bans and so on all pass muster.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 13:43

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The NRA are a bunch of self serving bootlickers and nothing more. They’d sell out the 2nd amendment in a heart beat if the money was right. 

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/06/2020 at 13:51

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And how about being excellent to those who do want to discuss politics?

Being criticized for content that per the official rules is “welcomed, even encouraged”, is not at all good. You seem to have a problem with the rules, but demanding that other posters follow some alternate, made up rules is not being excellent, even if you do so out of concern for people who find such topics sensitive. And yes, friendly asks, aren’t really asking in a community where we are trying to be excellent to each other. Especially when they are presented as rules to follow.

Sovande > Mid Engine 08/06/2020 at 13:53

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How may times have you been in a situation where you had to shoot a bear or a bobcat or a tweaker, for that matter? Would you kill a man for stealing your tv?

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 13:56

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Fraudster son of a fraudster dad of fraudsters father in law of a fraudster who is also the son of a fraudster, pardoning fraudsters, it can’t not happen.

Waiting for the whataboutism by a few specific voices, or maybe it already happened.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 08/06/2020 at 13:56

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I didn’t criticize or demand. I made a simple request of a friend purely out of consideration of others.

The more people, and greater diversity of viewpoints and backgrounds, the better for OPPO.

fintail > WilliamsSW 08/06/2020 at 13:58

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Kind of like 45's real estate empire.

fintail > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 13:58

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Along with a profit center and money laundering path for board members.

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/06/2020 at 14:06

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If someone replied to one of my posts like that I would definitely see it as a demand, hopefully Rusty is more charitable.

No disagreement on the second point, though discussing politics doesn’t preclude that. Indeed I think it helps to be able to hear other’s viewpoints on such topics. But I think if people are so sensitive that they can’t even stand to know other political viewpoints exist that they can’t even see them on Oppo and scroll by, then they are ones who are being intolerant, and it shouldn’t be the responsibility of everyone else on Oppo to coddle them so they can stay in their bubble. They can argue or they can ignore, but seeing a headline and a non-inflammatory image really shouldn’t send anyone into such a rage that they leave.

Mid Engine > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 14:10

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Shoot a warning shot, works so far. Tweakers are often armed, but no I would not shoot anyone or anything unless I had to defe nd myself. Point is there’s plenty of rural areas where you need to be able to fend for yourself.

Sovande > Mid Engine 08/06/2020 at 14:17

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fair enough

Dr_Watson > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 14:17

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Counter point. I grew up in the country... guns are also fun. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 08/06/2020 at 14:22

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If anything, we’ ll have a nice discussion out of it. T he two of us tend to overthink stuff like this - ha!

For some, OPPO is their respite from the world, from the ‘rona, from politics, from all the shit of everyday life. I genuinely like discussing politics here (because most people are way more reasonable than most people I encounter online or IRL ), but I completely understand my fellow Opponauts who don’t want to see anything political, regardless of their political leanings, who just want to think about cars and stupid stuff and forget about the world for a little while.

My sister-in-law is a pretty sensitive soul, and has never really done Facebook because of it. She just can’t handle it all, and gets seriously depressed if she takes in too much news, etc. She’s very creative, and does thrift shop stuff and crafting (old toys, vintage holiday stuff). Instagram became her oasis, and she ended up growing a little community there of like-minded people. Her post were always just happy and cheerful, and she has this group of people encouraging her. This year, she had to get off Instagram, pure ly for her mental health. Something that had been so positive for her turned into a place she had to avoid because of political tensions seeping in.

The point of that story is this: w e all need a break sometime, and some here want OPPO to be that break.

I’m trying my best to be excellent to them, and will encourage others to do the same, and while encouraging deep, civil, political debate on important topics.

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/politics-comparing-presidential-approval-1844057115

Sovande > Dr_Watson 08/06/2020 at 14:23

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Tell that to the 39,492 people killed by gun violence in the US last year.

Dr_Watson > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 14:32

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Sometimes sporting equipment gets misused. Baseball bats are also often murder weapons but the MLB is still going strong.

Guns should be heavily regulated. I’d even go as far as requiring them to be registered and insured like cars. But a “fuck all guns” complete ban is a fools errand.

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 08/06/2020 at 14:34

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Is that an I Love Lucy reference?

WilliamsSW > fintail 08/06/2020 at 14:35

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Except for the legalized part yes

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > ttyymmnn 08/06/2020 at 14:38

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Because nobody makes money when you shout ‘fire’.

I completely agree with that point though, which is why, constitutionally entrenched or not, the right to bear arms in the states is fascinating. It is like no other aspect of US constitutional law (from my layman’s perspective) 

Derpwagon > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 14:40

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More than half of that number is suicides, which is a disingenuous way of representing data.

Sovande > Derpwagon 08/06/2020 at 14:44

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No, it’s not. If you kill yourself with a gun, it’s gun violence. If you kill yourself with pills it’s an overdose. Does 15,000 who were killed by someone else’s hand make it easier to swallow?

DipodomysDeserti > Mid Engine 08/06/2020 at 14:45

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That’s not really the case at all. It’s been illegal to manufacturer machine guns (like an AK-47) for a while now, and you have to go through a federal background check, and pay a $200 tax to the BATFE before you can own one that’s already been manufactured .

Because of the ban on manufacturing machine guns, plus the $200 tax, your average schmo can’t afford to buy one legally.

This all applies to the short barreled rifles and shotguns, suppressors, as well as guns over a certain caliber, which are considered “destructive devices”.

The real issue is that most Americans are clueless as to what our actual gun laws are.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Mid Engine 08/06/2020 at 14:46

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I agree that the false dichotomy of ‘with us or against us’ when it comes to the firearms discussion is insane.

Not everyone who wants changes in the way firearms are owned and sold wants to ban every ‘scary gun’, and not everyone who thinks assault weapons bans are stupid is an ammosexual lunatic. The false dichotomy makes it so much easier to play people against each other, when I think most Americans can agree on reasonable firearms restrictions. Unfortunately the people who are the most vocal about the issue of gun control are often representative of a small sliver of Americans.

Imo gun control should be about WHO is allowed to have guns and WHERE. Worrying about what guns seems to be missing the point imo. Every firearm is dangerous, and unless you ban everything except muzzle loaders they will always be capable of inflicting a great amount of harm, whether it be a decked out AR-15 with all the scary grips, optics, rails and magazines, or a Ruger 10/22  

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 14:50

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In Canada we don’t have a right to posses firearms, and you’re not really allowed to use them in self defence. I think that removing the idea of ‘needing’ a gun from the discussion helps a lot (not that that’s possible for the states, their culture and laws are too different), as it forces people to admit its a hobby/for hunting. No bullshit about what you need it for. Makes the conversation very different, and I’m mostly happy with our restrictions.

That being said I don’t agree with our recent move to ban more specific weapons. I think that money would be better spent getting firearms away from people who shouldn’t have them.

It’s also easy to underestimate how valuable firearms are for rural people. I understand wanting a rifle when you’re a half hour s drive from the nearest police station.

Sovande > Dr_Watson 08/06/2020 at 14:52

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This is a pretty dumb way to look at it, but I’ll play along. What are the stats for baseball bat deaths last year? Fewer that 15,000? More than 15,000? What does “o ften” mean in this context? Is there a Major League Gun Violence League that has been canceled that I am unaware of?

I agree that it is a fool’s errand to try to ban all guns. Just as it would be a waste of time to ban cigarettes. Stupid people will continue to enjoy both.

Do you think there should be a large, federally subsidized association advocating the use and ownership of guns in this country where almost 40,000 people are killed each year as a direct result of gun violence? Or does that strike you as foolish too? Aside from putting on safety clinics, which you can also attend at shooting ranges, what does the NRA contribute to gun ownership? Or, more importantly, to the vast swath of people in this country who don’t own guns but who are on the hook picking up the slack where the NRAs tax contributions are concerned?

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Derpwagon 08/06/2020 at 14:54

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That is a great point, most people ignore those numbers or that distinction. Those  suicides often get left out of the gun violence statistics, and there’s strong evidence suggesting that most   people who don’t complete suicide their first attempt don’t continue trying. Those suicides by gunshot would likely be avoidable had those people not had access to a firearm. Even something as simple as having to unlock the trigger, as well as the ammo from a separate container might deter people.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Tripper 08/06/2020 at 14:54

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NRA turns into a political conversation?

ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 08/06/2020 at 14:54

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No, but that’s a good catch. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/06/2020 at 14:54

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I agree.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Tripper 08/06/2020 at 14:55

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I think any law abiding citizen should be allowed to CCW if they can pass a rigorous training.

ttyymmnn > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/06/2020 at 14:56

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And there is a strong argument that the whole thing is misinterpreted in the first place. The NRA likes to only pay attention to the second part of the amendment, while ignoring the first part.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 08/06/2020 at 14:56

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Would you consider taking me for a ride sometime?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 08/06/2020 at 14:56

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But not unions.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 08/06/2020 at 14:57

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It’s going to be fun watching him have to spend his fortune on lawyers for the rest of his life.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Tapas 08/06/2020 at 14:58

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That is a hoax.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > ttyymmnn 08/06/2020 at 14:58

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I know there are some precedent setting Supreme Court cases that reinforced that idea that it applies to average citizens and not just a well regulated militia. I don’t know enough about them to say if I agree or don’t with their reasoning.

I do think it’s very interesting how that second part of the amendment seems to be largely ignored, while the first half is characterized as being immovable and impossible to change or reinterpret 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Just Jeepin' 08/06/2020 at 15:00

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For having the temerity to point out the fraud and corruption?

I know some very conservative people who are avid firearms aficionados to eschew the NRA because they’re about money and other things to such an extent, besides firearms.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:00

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Good use of daddy’s inherited slumlord gold.

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:00

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No, they're smart enough to contract that work to the mob.

Dr_Watson > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 15:02

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There are plenty of professional sport shooting events that would be compromised if shotguns were suddenly illegal.

Cars also kill > 35,000 people per year but I’m still an SCCA member.

I’m anti NRA, I just also happen to be also anti banning gun ownership (within reason). There is a huge difference between sport shooting and owning an M60.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 08/06/2020 at 15:05

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If Joe Biden is elected, I am going to mail him a letter suggesting that he promote Alexander Vindman to colonel in his retirement.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:08

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That would be a nice slap in the face to this most corrupt and shameless regime ever.

Can’t wait to see the NYS legal conglomerate chase these people down.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:08

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Sadly, I don't really own a Mooney.   If I did, i would definitely not do any scud running in it.   That's not a recipe for living a long life. 

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:16

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Every gun owner I know (myself included) is glad that this is happening. The NRA has done more harm by turning the 2A into a wedge issue instead of a non- partisan issue.

Sovande > Dr_Watson 08/06/2020 at 15:18

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Who cares if those sports are no longer around ? What is plenty? 6? And we aren’t talking about cars, we’re talking about guns.

I will grant that there is a huge difference in sport shooting and owning an M60 and I say we start this journey by banning the M60. 

Just Jeepin' > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:20

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Because clearly disbanding the NRA is an assault on the 2nd amendment and Jesus himself. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 08/06/2020 at 15:20

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And it would be totally up-and-up. (Anything up-and-up is a slap in this regime’s face.)

I think it was a shrewd move on Biden’s part, in more ways than one, to give his nomination speech at a remove from the convention. Showing COVID caution can only help him with reasonable voters.

I think Ford’s pardon of Nixon was appropriate, all things considered.

Looks like the people of Arizona have tired of Sheriff Joe.

Dr_Watson > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 15:22

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People that like shooting sports care.

Your initial argument was all about the body count. Cars also carry a big body count. That’s why we should care about cars here. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 08/06/2020 at 15:29

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I’m not sure what impressions I manage to give in this space as to my politics, but they are actually quite mixed. I am a firearms enthusiast, but that enthusiasm has waned quite a bit with Gabby Giffords’s getting shot and after Sandy Hook. But it really started with Gabby. I own handguns to protect my home and longer guns to guard my neighborhood and we have the 2A, and that settles that. I would advocate that any law abiding citizen be allowed to CCW if they pass a rigorous and appropriate training.

I hope LaPierre & Co wind up in prison.

Sovande > Dr_Watson 08/06/2020 at 15:29

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My point e xactly.

My initial comment was about gun deaths. You have conflated that with car deaths, not me. 6,590 pedestrians died last year but I am not advocating that we stop walking.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:34

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Ha, exactly. If it is based on even a thin veneer of ethics, it opposes this mess.

Conventions are done (and probably dangerous for more reasons than ‘rona) , I am waiting to see what happens with debates.

Nixon was a man of dignity and honor compared to the current gang. 45 makes Nixon look like Ike. With the way so many things have shifted/polarized, Nixon wouldn’t be firmly rooted in the current GOP, either.   Not a great leader, but he looks more appealing than what we have now.

Sheriff Joe deserves a cell next door to dear leader.

And sadly, both will continue to receive the support of tens of millions.

09GT - now boosted > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:41

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I’m a physician, but not a member of the AMA (American Medical Association).

I’m a gun owner, and not a member of the NRA.

Both are lobbying organizations only, and in both cases I tend to disagree strongly with their stances. They are both corrupt.

Dr_Watson > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 15:41

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The gun deaths are a reason to regulate, just like we regulate other things like cars which also cause lots of deaths. Not a reason to fuck them off entirely.

Just because you don’t like the sports guns are used for doesn’t mean your preference should squash theirs. They might hate auto racing and think everyone should ride a bike, but that preference doesn’t squash my preference for racing and using a car to get around.

Living in a free country requires us to tolerate a wide array of preferences and choices. We should absolutely be interested in harm reduction for dangerous activities, but prohibition is not compatible with a free society. 

Derpwagon > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 15:41

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If the pure numbers are what matters rather than any form of context, are you also for banning cars since there were over 36 thousand traffic fatalities in 2019?

marshknute > Sovande 08/06/2020 at 15:44

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You shouldn’t include suicides because banning guns has no documented effect on the suicide rate. For example, Australia had their famous gun buyback in 1996-1997, but the suicide rate continued along its existing trajectory. S ame with the UK, which banned guns in 1997:

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 08/06/2020 at 15:45

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I’m with you.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Just Jeepin' 08/06/2020 at 15:46

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How long before President Trump says something stupid about this? Another collusion hoax, perhaps?

Just Jeepin' > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:47

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I’m surprised he hasn’t already been all over this, but I don’t follow the news that closely, so maybe he is.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:50

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Agreed, I’m pretty left leaning myself but I grew up in a country where having a gun was pretty much a necessity because you couldn’t rely on the cops to help you so I learnt how to use one at a very young age.

There is definitely a middle ground everyone could agree on but that has been made almost impossible by groups like the NRA.     

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 08/06/2020 at 15:52

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Also the great thing about this is that this is the State AG so heir Orange Shitgibbon can’t do bugger all to stop it. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 08/06/2020 at 16:00

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I think there will be a Trump/Anti-Trump ideology test for a generation following this. Perhaps it will rive the GOP. Headlines suggest that Trump investigating Biden is not getting any traction, either.

Check this; scroll down to Cheap Shots No. 2

https://mailchi.mp/thebulwark/addicted-to-bs?e=0753f8fbc7

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Just Jeepin' 08/06/2020 at 16:01

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I follow the news pretty closely, and I haven’t heard a peep about it yet. If anything, I’d guess that even his fluffers in the White House are saying Oof!

Sovande > marshknute 08/06/2020 at 16:02

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15, 000 deaths vs 39,500 does not change the point.